Inside the Mind of a Vegas Legend: Jon Orlando’s Take on Podcasting, Entrepreneurship, and the Future of Content

Jon Orlando, the creative force behind the Action Junkeez Podcast, is a pioneer in podcasting, storytelling, and entrepreneurial innovation in Las Vegas. A seasoned podcaster with collaborations including industry leaders like David Meltzer, Jon has built a platform that celebrates authenticity and connection in a city known for its glitz and glamour.

In this episode of Pursue Vegas, Jon shares his journey from navigating the vibrant streets of Vegas to becoming a respected voice in podcasting. He opens up about his early days, the challenges of building a brand, and why he believes podcasting is the future of business storytelling.

“Vegas isn’t just the Strip—it’s a hub of creativity and opportunity waiting to be tapped,” Jon says, highlighting the city’s growing role as a playground for entrepreneurs and creatives.

Through humor and heartfelt anecdotes, Jon explores the evolution of Las Vegas, emphasizing its transformation into a thriving hub for sports, entertainment, and innovation. “Vegas has so much money from casinos and big marketing budgets; it’s a playground for creatives and entrepreneurs,” he adds.

Jon’s insights go beyond podcasting, offering listeners a masterclass in resilience, adaptation, and authenticity. “The ability to adapt is what separates the good from the great,” he reflects, reminding us all of the power of staying true to our vision while navigating life’s inevitable pivots.

Key Takeaways:

• Podcasting as the Future: Jon explains why podcasting is a game-changer for businesses, likening its rise to the boom of mobile apps a decade ago.
• Vegas as a Creative Hub: Discover how Las Vegas is evolving beyond its reputation, becoming a center for entrepreneurship and creative innovation.
• Authenticity Wins: Jon emphasizes the importance of raw, unscripted conversations in building genuine connections.
• Adapting to Change: His journey highlights the power of resilience and staying relevant in a fast-changing industry.

Resources:

• Follow Jon Orlando: Instagram
• Check out Action Junkeez Podcast: Listen Here

If you’re ready for stories that combine grit, humor, and the unmistakable spirit of Las Vegas, this is the episode for you. And yes—sorry, Mike Kim, we ran out of time!

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Transcript

0:00:01 - (Dave Burlin): Welcome back to the Pursue Vegas podcast. I'm your host, Dave Burlin.

0:00:04 - (Tawni Nguyen): And I'm your co host, Tawni Nguyen.

0:00:06 - (Dave Burlin): And we are excited to have another incredible Vegas legend. I'm just gonna say a Vegas legend here in the studio. And he took a shot and helping us out on season one, Mr. Jon Orlando.

0:00:17 - (Jon Orlando): You know what's weird is when you said Vegas legend, I was like, wait, who's on? Who's coming? I was so excited. Like, you had a surprised guest. I thought you were piping somebody in on Zoom or something. I was like, oh, this is going to be cool. Like, I didn't. You didn't tell me this it time. Yeah, terrible. I'll take it. But like, so not accurate.

0:00:33 - (Dave Burlin): You're like, whoa, who's coming in?

0:00:35 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, I was like, where they man, who's coming in here? I got so. I was hyped.

0:00:39 - (Tawni Nguyen): He's like, am I dressed for this?

0:00:40 - (Jon Orlando): Ye was like, oh, my God. But you didn't tell me there was someone come in who's coming.

0:00:45 - (Dave Burlin): It's Jon Orlando.

0:00:47 - (Jon Orlando): Gotta raise the bar, Dave. Holy cow.

0:00:51 - (Dave Burlin): John, welcome, my friend.

0:00:52 - (Jon Orlando): Thank you, man.

0:00:54 - (Dave Burlin): Tell us what you're on to, man. There's a lot of stuff. I've always seen you rep and podcast for sure.

0:00:59 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:01:00 - (Dave Burlin): What's the big focus for you right now?

0:01:02 - (Jon Orlando): Big focus is just screwing things up on a daily basis. No. Yeah, I'm working on some cool stuff. Doing this project with Dave Meltzer. We'ren toa have a podcast studio over at the Palazzo inside their new poker room that just opened. We were at the grand opening with you, me and you, which was really cool. Do you play poker?

0:01:20 - (Dave Burlin): You know, I sincerely thought about it. It's one of those things where I have played before. I've only played in a few little tournaments, but in Tony Shieh's book.

0:01:29 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:01:29 - (Dave Burlin): He talks a lot about what he learned about business and what he learned about life just by playing poker when he first moved here.

0:01:35 - (Jon Orlando): Do you play golf?

0:01:37 - (Dave Burlin): I did a long time ago.

0:01:39 - (Jon Orlando): I don't play golf, but I heard golf is very frustrating. I'm here to tell you, I can't imagine that golf is more frustrating than poker. So my advice to you is do.

0:01:47 - (Dave Burlin): Not play poker because especially in this town.

0:01:50 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. For example, I played in a tournament last Foggy on the day, let's call it last Friday. I played in a tournament that was my 432nd tournament since giving up tournaments. Yeah. And that's just this month. So. Yeah, don't do it. It's a miseble Miserable game.

0:02:09 - (Dave Burlin): Redef.

0:02:10 - (Tawni Nguyen): You quit.

0:02:11 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, clearly I will not be an ambassador for poker just to degenerate that plays it and complains about it. But yeah, it's a bral.

0:02:19 - (Dave Burlin): Do you get everybody ruffled? And I do mess with everybody at the table.

0:02:23 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, well, only if you mess with me. So, like, I'm nice every. Everyone. I like to keep it light and friendly, but there's always one guy. It's just like a dick. And then I come for him. I put a target on him.

0:02:34 - (Tawni Nguyen): Plot twist. It's Tim does the dick.

0:02:38 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, so. But yeah, so I'm real excited about that. You know, that hopefully will be open. They're saying winter of 2024, so I don't know if that means October, November, December, but hopefully one of those months.

0:02:50 - (Dave Burlin): Have you guys already shot there? A little bit.

0:02:52 - (Jon Orlando): Meltzer did some shows there, but, like, very informal. Like the studio'not even set up yet. The spaces there, but there's no equipment or anything in it yet.

0:03:00 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah. And how hard was that? Man, that's got toa be a little difficult getting into a property like that.

0:03:05 - (Jon Orlando): I had nothing to do with it.

0:03:07 - (Tawni Nguyen): O.

0:03:07 - (Jon Orlando): So that's always good. Yeah. This is all Meltzer. He had the relationship with them, and it was really a luck in timing kind of thinguse. They already were planning on putting like a studio in there for poker content. And so this isn't like our studio, like, like Sticky Paws was me or like Blue Wire or something like that. This is. We're kind of sharing the space, but we'll be doing a lot of fun stuff there.

0:03:34 - (Dave Burlin): I love that. I love that. So you're saying winter of 2024?

0:03:38 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, yeah. So a few months. It'll go quick.

0:03:41 - (Dave Burlin): Cool. And do you already have some ideal people that you're going toa be bringing on the show? What's.

0:03:45 - (Jon Orlando): I have a wish list. I don't know if I can get them. But yeah, like, it's definitely time for me to get Mike Tyson on the podcast. It hasn't happened. I know Mike. I haven't talked to him in a minute. Quite a while. So a lot of these guys, you know, they change their phone numbers a lot, you know, because they. They're too willing. They give it out to too many people probably. And so I don't have a current number for him, but we have enough people in common.

0:04:08 - (Dave Burlin): Just keep hitting speed dial four.

0:04:10 - (Jon Orlando): Yeahah. What happen? Right? Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. So, yeah, so he's on my wish list. The Rock is on my wish list. I Mean again. These are. These are me dreaming big.

0:04:18 - (Dave Burlin): You need a rock look alike. I might know somebody.

0:04:21 - (Tawni Nguyen): We got you a knockoff, right?

0:04:23 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. Generic rock. Today on the podcast we have generic rock. We have generic Eminem and we're hoping to get generic Gene Simmons, but we can't even get him to commit. But the generic version. Yeah.

0:04:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): It is Vegas after all. You go down the strip and pick one up.

0:04:39 - (Dave Burlin): Well, we can get Crackead Spider man from Fremont street, right?

0:04:43 - (Tawni Nguyen): Oh my Godine.

0:04:44 - (Jon Orlando): We did episode that I just saw him like four days ago. I was down there at Circa and I went on to Fremont to show some people like from out of town. Here's where you don't want to be at night. And there he was. Yeah.

0:04:57 - (Dave Burlin): That's so funny. That's so funny. How long have you been hereuse I feel like I met you. I've only been here. I'm celebrating six years and I met you. I ran into you early on and then a lot more frequently here in the last year, but it feels like.

0:05:11 - (Jon Orlando): You'Ve been here forever. July 1st of 2017.

0:05:15 - (Dave Burlin): Oh, wow.

0:05:15 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I mean, but there's a lot of people had always thought I lived here. Cause that's how often I'll tell you a funny story. So I once. This is back in the hard rock days. So this is like maybe late 90s, early early 2000s u. I went through a period where at night on Fridays and Saturday nights in Vegas, I wanted to wear a suit. I have no clue why I would wanted to do this. No tie, but just like kind of dress it up a little bit. Yeah. And so it's middle of summer and it was one of those. This is back when I might have done some crazy things, you know, when Allegedly, allegedly someone that looks like I never drank and never really got into drugs, but there was this one certain little pill that I may have taken, you know, recreationally in the back in the day.

0:05:59 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, Y. Yeah, exactly. That pill that you wouldn't take there. Yes, exactly. That's the one. That's the vitam Vitamin E, right? Yeah. And I remember I was in this suit. I was in la. So I'm in la, we go party, I take this pill and then the Clubs close at 2:00, 2:00am in LA, which is Crazyeah in Hollywood. Like you would think, let's go longer. Right. So of course I took a second pill around 1:30, which was a big mistake because then close, close it to.

0:06:28 - (Jon Orlando): And I was like, I'm going to Vegas. I'm gonna drive to Vegas. So I couldn't get anyone to come with me. And they're like, you're gonna drive like this? I was like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm all good. Don'm fuck yeah. Normally I take four or five of these two. Doesn't faze me, it's all good. So I k't get inbod but drive me. So I call a buddy here and I'm like, hey, I'm driving to Vegas, you I'll be there. It's like it's 2 o'clock, I'll be there at 6. He's like, what are you doing? He's like, dude, why don't you just fly? I go, there's no flights right now. He goes, so go to the airport at 6'clock get on a 6:30 flight and you'll be here at 7:30, an hour and a half later rather than drive through the desert. And you're condition, you idiot. What are you doingah? So I was like, that's a great idea.

0:07:05 - (Jon Orlando): So I didn't want to go home. So I literally drove to lax, parked on the roof and was just jamming out to music for literally, for literally four hours. Went in, bought a ticket, came here. It's literally middle of the summer. It's like July is something, right? So I landed Vegas six or whatever, 8:30 in the morning, I go straight to blackjack and I win like four grand. And I start calling, I call, do you know Geo who hosts fitness junkies? My buddy go is black dude, you know Geo. Okay, so we were partners in a PR firm. This is like my best friend of now 30 something years, since before you were born.

0:07:41 - (Jon Orlando): And so I'm like, dude, you gotta come to Vegas. Like come to Vegas right now. I just won four grand. He goes, I'm asleep because I was with him at the club. He was like, don't drive. Like, what are you doing? So he's like, tell you what, call me at 11 if you still have the money. I'll get on a flightus. He knows me, right? Okay, so 11:00am Hits. I have no fucking money. It's gone. I lost it all. Not only do I not have any money, but I call him, he's like, okay, am I getting on a flight? I said, well hit a little snag, I need you to wire me. This is back when there was no PayPal, there was no Venmo, there was no cash, 100% Western Union me a thousand dollars right now. He's like, what I go, I can win it back. He's like, all right.

0:08:29 - (Jon Orlando): So he Western uns me a thousand dollars. And at the time. So I'm at the Hard Rock, which is now Virgin, right? So I'm at the Hard Rock, and at the time, the closest Western Union was inside the Barbary coast, which is where the Cromwell is right now, where Dre's nightclub is, right? So originally that was called the Barbary Coast Hotel. And Dre'the original Drays was in there. It's actually still there in the same spot. You know, not the upstairs Drays, but the downstair, okay? So I get over there, I get the money, I take a taxi back to the hotel and I blow through the thousand dollars.

0:09:01 - (Jon Orlando): And I'm like, oh, my God, what am I gonna do? This is in July of like 20. Sorry, of 2000.July of 2000. Okay. So I'm like, man, what am I gonna do? So I'm like, okay, I just need to clear my head. I need some sun. Remember, now, I don't have bags. I don't have clothing. I mean, suit with no tie, right? So this is a swear of my life. Every bit of this is true. I'm gonna incriminate myself, but statute of limitations prevents me, I think, from pro prosecution, hopefully.

0:09:37 - (Jon Orlando): So I go into the Hard Rock gift shop. I'm like, gonna need a swimsuit, right? I'GONNA get a bathing suit on. So I go and I try them on in the back. And I'm like, but wait, I don't have any fucking money. Like, I'm not gonna spend it. And it's like 80 bucks or whatever. I'm like, if I'm gonna do a cash advance on this credit card, to use the credit card, I'm gonna need it to gamble, right? To get the money.

0:09:54 - (Jon Orlando): So I'm like, can't do that. So I just like. They won't miss it. So I put the fucking swimsuit on, put the suit, pants over it, I walk out. Done. Theft has been committed at this point. Keep in mind I'm on drugs, okay, Dave? I'm out of my mind. So I see that look you give me. Don't you judge me. I was out of my mind. Okay, the guilty party here is the dealer that sold it to me in la. And I'm coming for him. I don't know who he is.

0:10:20 - (Jon Orlando): I don't remember his name. I actually never knew his name.

0:10:22 - (Dave Burlin): It was one of those it LA in 2000. There's an 84% chance it was me.

0:10:27 - (Jon Orlando): I was. Oh really? I'll tell you where I was. I was at a club called Rocktar on La Brea and Hollywood Boulevard and it used to be called Garden of Eden. Anyway, some people called it Garden of Semen. Anyway, you can edit that out. Well, you don't have to.

0:10:41 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's a great line for our club here, life.

0:10:43 - (Jon Orlando): Oh well, yeah, no, ed't here. By the way, are we anti F bomb and all that? Should I, should I not?

0:10:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): I mean, I'm on the fuckingast.

0:10:49 - (Jon Orlando): Oh, great, okay, good to know. All right, so. So anyway, I go back. So now I get out to the pool, I take my suit off, take everything off and people are look at me like what is this guy doing? I literally strip down to the bathing suit that I had under, you know, my suit pants. Now get some rays, start feeling a little better, leave the pool. Now it's like 2 o'clock, call Geo for another wire, which you remember that means he has to drive to Western Union, fill out the B, you know what I mean?

0:11:17 - (Jon Orlando): So he cuts me off at 500, he goes, sorry, he says, I said, look, I need money, can't to fly home. I bough a one way ticket, like I cash advance, everything, like I'm broke, you're gonna have to hook me up. So he's like, I'm gonna wire you$hundred but you have to promise me you're not gonna gamble with it cause I'm sending you this money to get you home. I go, I promise you, I promise you I will not do it. Right, okay. He's like, all right, so he Western unions me money and now I got to get from Hard Rock to the Barbary coast or what you know is the Cromwell.

0:11:52 - (Jon Orlando): It doesn't sound that far. It's really fucking far. This is, I'm on Paradise and Harmon. I need to go to Flamingo and the Strip. It's July 11, let's call it, it's 100 some degrees, I'm in a suit with suit shoes and I realize I don't have money for the taxi. So I'm like, what am I gonna do? Am I gonna take the taxi, have him wait, the meter'gonna run. What if there's a line? This could be like a hundred dollar cab ride out of the 500. We can't have this, Dave, because even though I told Geo I'm not gonna gamble with the money, I'm a hundred percent gonna be gambling with this money.

0:12:35 - (Jon Orlando): So I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna walk it So I start walking and I've got my suit on, right? And I'm like, oh, my God, it's too fucking hot. So I take the jacket off. Now I'm walking with the jacket, like, with my finger on it, you know? And I'm walking down the street. I look like a crackhead. Like, what is this guy doing? So now I'm like, jesus, it's hot. So I untuck the shirt, right? Like, I just need. And then I'm like, oh, my God, this is fucking brutal. I'm like, well, I do have a bathing suit on. This. Okay? So I take the suit pants off. Now I'm walking, holding the suit pants and the jacket. I swear on my life, every bit of this is true.

0:13:03 - (Jon Orlando): Okay? Now I'm walking with black socks, a bathing suit on, and black suit. Shoot. And an electric blue. I mean, whatever that is in your head when I say the color electric blue, really electrify it as Versace would. I'm in a Versace electric blue shirt that when I look at old photos, like, why didn't anyone tell me? Stop wearing that?

0:13:29 - (Dave Burlin): It's the one from Virtuosity.

0:13:31 - (Jon Orlando): It's awful. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Okay? So I'm walking. I'm like, this is nuts, man. So now I'm finally. I finally get there. I've unbuttoned the shirt. I'm drenched. It's summer. I'm miserable. I look homeless. It's just awful. I've got bed head, pool head, you name it. Head. Like, I should have stole a hat when I took the bathing suit. But I wasn't thinking because I was on drugs. It was brutal.

0:13:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): They went in for the criminal card.

0:13:59 - (Jon Orlando): So this was awful. Okay? So I get there. I get the. The $500. You asked, okay, you wanted stories, Al, right? So I get the 500 bucks and I blow it in the Barbary coast playing blackjack in, I don't know, six minutes gone. I'm starving. I'm broke. I know I can't call Geo, but I'm gonna call Geo. So I call Geo and he's like, absolutely not. Reads me the right act, think he hangs up on me. Geo is the most calm human being. You know him.

0:14:33 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. If Geo's mad at you, you fucked up, okay? So now I just start calling people that, like, who can send me some money. So I call my friend, affectionately known as Drunk Nicole. She'll understand my dilemma, right? So I called Drunk Nicole, and she brings me $1,000, takes me back over the hard Rock and it was just brutal. I ended up losing most of that. And I had sense when I did get down to, like, 200 bucks just to fly home with my tail between my legs.

0:15:04 - (Jon Orlando): And that was so the reason why I brought this up. So I'm back in my suit, right? And I'm walking out. And I had seen, you know, the Hard Rock was like, my home away from home. So I had been there so many times. I knew the whole staff and everything, right? Yeah. So I see this cocktail server that I've known since day one of opening, and she's like, hey, what are you doing? I'm like. She's like, oh.

0:15:28 - (Jon Orlando): She goes like, long night partying? And I was like, yeah, yeah. I just never changed out of this. I said, I'm on my way to the airport. She's like, oh, where you going? I go, I'm going home. She goes home. I thought you lived here. Like, yeah, no. She's like, you're literally here every week. I'm like, yeah, yeah, cool. So with that said, see you next week. Yeah, that was my. My debauchery. I asked question I was waiting for.

0:15:54 - (Tawni Nguyen): When was gonna get brought up.

0:15:56 - (Dave Burlin): So now I've got toa know, do you actually live here in Vegas now?

0:15:59 - (Jon Orlando): I live here now, yes. I live here now.

0:16:02 - (Tawni Nguyen): He's like, no, I just flew here today just for this podcast.

0:16:04 - (Jon Orlando): No, no, I live. I'm a resident dj. I got a Nevada license. Yeah, it's all good.

0:16:09 - (Dave Burlin): I love it.

0:16:10 - (Jon Orlando): Crazy. So the moral of a story is, don't do drugs, people don't do it.

0:16:13 - (Dave Burlin): That's a.

0:16:14 - (Jon Orlando): Don't do it.

0:16:14 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's a great T. Gamble, but don't do drugs.

0:16:16 - (Jon Orlando): Gamble, but don't do vitamin E. Don't.

0:16:19 - (Dave Burlin): Take vitamin E. And now, so we won't go into how the drugs are obviously different now, but Vegas is different.

0:16:26 - (Jon Orlando): Nowas is different.

0:16:28 - (Dave Burlin): That was not a lifetime ago, but that was a while back. So what s. What are you excited about now? Cause Vegas is different. In the time that I've lived here, I moved here pre pandemic. Yeah, I'm here post pandemic. But you've been here a lot longer. What do you see?

0:16:43 - (Jon Orlando): Man, I think this is the greatest city in the world. I love Vegas. I always used to call this home, even when I lived in la.

0:16:50 - (Dave Burlin): Can you hear the air quotes?

0:16:52 - (Jon Orlando): You hear the air quotes?

0:16:53 - (Tawni Nguyen): Strong.

0:16:54 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, I. I love this town. I'm most excited about baseball coming here. N. Hopefully it's still the Oakland A'I. Mean, I wouldn't mind if it was just an expansion team. I'd rather be just a new team with a new name ground up.

0:17:09 - (Dave Burlin): So that. That's a pivot question that I wasn't anticipating. But now if you could name the baseball team the Las Vegas man.

0:17:16 - (Jon Orlando): I don't know. That's a good question. You know, I hated. I used to shit on the Golden Knights name. I didn't. I was like, why would you call them the Gold? Like, there was so many better, like, Vegas names until I went to a game and I saw, like, they do the whole history of what it is. And I was like, okay, I get it. Like, this is kind of cool now. It's cool. I get it. Yeah. I don't know. I lean. I want to lean into, like, the obvious, like, like, you know, the basketball, the aces, like, you know, something like that. But maybe it would be cool. Like, I do, like, appreciate what the Golden Knights did. You know, I think that was actually really smart, like, to put a storyline around it and stuff like that. So that could be cool. But I think it's gonna be the A's. I mean, I think unless something happens, but a baseball stadium on the strip, I'm definitely getting season tickets. Like, very cool. Yeah.

0:17:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's gonna be your new home.

0:17:59 - (Jon Orlando): That's gonna be my.

0:18:00 - (Tawni Nguyen): Gonna live in the RV in the back.

0:18:01 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. Yeah. I told Vanessa, my girlfriend. I told my Vanessa. I'm like, I don't think you understand how many games I'm gonna go to. Like, I'm just prepping you now.

0:18:07 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, I might move out and live on the streetip.

0:18:09 - (Jon Orlando): I mean, there's. There's 81 home games. I'm probably go goingna be a at least half of them.

0:18:14 - (Dave Burlin): Ye. Yeah. So sports has been a big shift here for sure.

0:18:19 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:18:19 - (Dave Burlin): What about when it comes to entrepreneurship in general? What have you seen? What are you excited about?

0:18:26 - (Jon Orlando): Just so much opportunity here. You know, everyone comes through Vegas. I mean, it's just. It really is like, they call it New York City, like, the melting pot. Right. But it's like, to me, Vegas is too, like, it's. Everyone comes through here. Pick a city, pick a country, pick a state. They all come here throughout the year. And it's just there's so much activity here. I definitely think it's going to be the next Hollywood. Obviously, a lot of, you know, Mark Wahlberg moved here. They're building studios, and I just. I don't see how it doesn't go.

0:18:54 - (Jon Orlando): Go that way. You know, unfortunately, traffic'gonna change, and we've all seen that. You know, it's drastically changed since. Since I moved here, since you got here. But I still think it's the best city. And I think the way it's set up, even when there's traffic, like, I could still get home. Like, I could leave here right now, not take a freeway and I could be a Durango resort. Like's pretty close to where I live in 20 minutes.

0:19:15 - (Dave Burlin): I was gonna say 18. Yeah, 18.

0:19:17 - (Jon Orlando): Five.

0:19:17 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's brilliant. Well, let's talk about the film for a second because I personally cannot speak to the Hollywood 2.0. I know some people can. I do believe that it's going to happen to a certain degree. But one thing that I've seen, and I was excited for you to come onto the show, I think that there's a fallout in the middle. There's gon to be like 60 podcast studios across the valley in the next.

0:19:42 - (Dave Burlin): I agree. And even the studio that we're in which wishes to remain nameless, there's a lot of these that are. It started off as somebody using it for their business or something like that, and then there's people that are taking more the route of studios as a business. What's your prediction or what do you see in the podcast studio world?

0:20:02 - (Jon Orlando): Totally agree with everything you just said. Back in 2010 and 2010, I was a partner in a mobile app development company and I remember pitching specifically the Hard Rock and all these other hotels. And my pitch would sound like this. I said, listen, you think this is 2010, so apps were not what they are today. Right. And I used to say, if you are a person, place or thing and you are in business, you will have an appap in the next 12 to 18 months.

0:20:30 - (Jon Orlando): You just don't know it yet. I feel the same way about podcasting right now. If you are in business, you have a personal brand or your own company, big company, small company, doesn't matter. A clothing store, a restaurant, whatever your jam is, I promise you're going to be doing a podcast the next 12 to 18 months. You just don't know yet. Some will do it obviously better than others. I mean, I almost venture to say, you know, I don't know how many users Instagram has, maybe a billion users or whatever it is. You're gonna have a billion podcasts.

0:20:57 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah.

0:20:58 - (Jon Orlando): In some way, shape or form. So I think that that means there's a lot of opportunity to own studios, small or big. I think there's enough of the pie to go around that everyone can actually do well. And I don't even see it as competition with all these other studios. I know some people. I'm not really wired like that though. Also, like, you know, I'm more like, like, like Gary V Always says, like, you know, there's enough, like we can all win. And I. I really believe that.

0:21:25 - (Jon Orlando): Even if you could put 10 studios out here, there's, you know, there's enough to go around, there's enough activity, there's enough out of towners coming in. I think everybody can do fine.

0:21:34 - (Tawni Nguyen): Imagine you put one at the airport too. Cause it's like now the new gateway drug or content creation. Right. Ca becausee people are afraid to be on camera, but if you're on a podcast, you kind of. The world kind of disappears.

0:21:45 - (Jon Orlando): Totally caus.

0:21:45 - (Tawni Nguyen): I remember the first time we went on a podcast together and you said that to me and I'm like, oh, shut the fuck out. Here we are.

0:21:51 - (Jon Orlando): There used to be a gym at the airport. Do you remember that? There used to be a gym.

0:21:55 - (Tawni Nguyen): U what?

0:21:55 - (Jon Orlando): Inside the airport when it was MC Karen. Yeah. Y yeah.

0:21:58 - (Dave Burlin): Is that when they had.

0:21:59 - (Jon Orlando): It was right above bagage.

0:22:00 - (Dave Burlin): Like you could smoke at the airport.

0:22:02 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:22:03 - (Tawni Nguyen): While on the treadmill.

0:22:04 - (Jon Orlando): Literally right above a baggage claim. There was a 24 hour of fitness wow at one point at the airport. But yeah, I could see that. I could see like a pod kiosk in the mall.

0:22:13 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah.

0:22:14 - (Jon Orlando): You know, like how he used to take pictures and stuff, like a photo booth. Like I like, why not just hop in a little, you know, tiny little cubicle and you know, everyone's gonna be having sex. Y Yeaheah.

0:22:26 - (Dave Burlin): Well, that's a great point. And like even you and I, like, we ran into a few of the same properties like that one day whenever I watched one of the properties open unmmons, I was talking to the developers and all that stuff, and I just threw it in there super casual. They were like, I was like, what are you excited about? And they just talked about this and this and that, and I was just like, yeah, but where's the podcast studio?

0:22:44 - (Dave Burlin): And they were just like, yeah, like it didn't even. They didn't even think of that. And now there's even apartment complexes, the higher level ones, that they're including that as an amenity. Y so I had this idea the other day. It's like the way that there's been. You've seen a lot of these seasons, right? Like when bottle service got live, then it was who could do the best bottle service? And then Now I feel like one of the big competitive things for the big properties is who's the dj? Like, who's the resident dj?

0:23:12 - (Dave Burlin): Like, what was the name of that club at Palms that nobody remembers? Scribble? No. Chaos. But Chaos was the club. But, like, the club, like, it was the biggest thing in the world. There was billboards all across the country, like, marshmallow. Like, there's gonna be now it's gonna be, who's the resident podcast studio?

0:23:31 - (Jon Orlando): Agree.

0:23:32 - (Dave Burlin): Host. I think that's gonna be a whole different level of who comes through, bring.

0:23:36 - (Jon Orlando): Them live in front of an audience. There's so many things y people come.

0:23:39 - (Dave Burlin): In and they have to walk through the property, and then they're thinking, oh, I could host an event here.

0:23:42 - (Tawni Nguyen): Like, I think that's live streaming. Joe Rogan or something like that, too.

0:23:45 - (Jon Orlando): I mean, back to. I'm, like, all about hard rock. I'm, like, nostalgic today for some reason. But, like, I don't know if you guys remember, like, Howard Stern used to bring his radio show to the Hard Rock every year or every other year, something like that, and it was like, a big deal. Same thing. I mean, that's the new podcast, right?

0:23:58 - (Dave Burlin): Ye. There it is.

0:23:59 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:23:59 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. So you know how, like, I've told you, you're a great storyteller, and a lot of people that want to go on a podcast are kind of afraid to share their story or even speak on camera. Right. But with where the world's going, especially in Vegas, and where the capital for entertainment, do you consider, like, podcast an entertainment? Or how do you see that as a monetization or how do people capitalize on that, it being in Vegas itself?

0:24:22 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I definitely think podcast is the new TV show. I mean, it really is. Like, you know, when you watch, like, everyone can play. Everyone can play. There's no barrier to entry, really. And I think that even the TV networks are really going to triple down on podcasts, because when you watch Jimmy Kimmel or you watch Jimmy Fallon, watch to the end of the show, the end credits, and look at how many people it takes to make that show.

0:24:48 - (Jon Orlando): It's insane. And all those people getting paid. When you think about Joe Rogan, he's got a guy named Jamie. I'm sure there's a couple other people. You know what I mean? John Orlando has a guy named Travis Flcher. Right. It's like, I'm sure there's other people a part of it, but it's nothing compared to now, Obviously, that's different because they have live performances and stuff, but I think. I think the networks are going to go, it's not worth it, man. Let's just pay. Let's just take it down to Joe Rogan level and we keep all that of money. It's gonna put a lot of people out of work, unfortunately.

0:25:17 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, but that's technology moving, you know, you got to be able to pivot. I mean, that's life. Like you.

0:25:21 - (Dave Burlin): Well, then those people are going toa go start anti podcast podcast.

0:25:25 - (Jon Orlando): Right, Exactly.

0:25:27 - (Dave Burlin): That's a whole nich.

0:25:27 - (Jon Orlando): They'll figure it out. They'll figure it out.

0:25:29 - (Tawni Nguyen): There'll be a movement against a movement that'be so.

0:25:32 - (Dave Burlin): Hi, my name's so and so, and I used to be the key grip on the Late show with Jimmy Fallon. That guy's got four. A million followers.

0:25:40 - (Jon Orlando): Because they're just like, yeah, yeah. But I think in this town, it's really interesting because it's like, there's so much money here that's from the casinos and the big budgets and marketing. And I think you're really gonna see people. Like, right now, it's like everyone's getting a podcast to, like, kind of promote themselves or promote their brand, but I think then certain people there will be like, the equivalent to podcast influencers.

0:26:04 - (Jon Orlando): Right. So, like, to be people podcasting, figuring out how do I market this right. On a podcast, or how do I market just beverages, or how do people are gonna start picking their own lanes. And I think it's gonna be interesting how people navigate through it.

0:26:19 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah, I think so. And you've been doing this for a while, so how do you see if you. I mean, if you were to give advice to somebody out there who was looking at starting a podcast.

0:26:30 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:26:31 - (Dave Burlin): What advice would you give to somebody?

0:26:34 - (Jon Orlando): I would say, don't overthink it. Number one, just do it. Which goes with don't overthink it. Right. But yeah, like, just jump in and just do it. And don't worry about results and don't worry about editing it. Like, I would just do it raw. Like, we, you know, at studio, people would come in and they'd bring notes and a laptop, and I'd be like, what are you doing? And I would tell them, like, shut that laptop and throw those notes out. Like, don't do it. I get it. For some shows, it's like, that is the task, and I get it. But for the most part, like, just. Just go. Yeah, just don't. Because I think when you prepare everything, it's one thing to have, like, an outline.

0:27:09 - (Jon Orlando): You know, like, if you. If you have a gu. And I'm curious, like, what you do. Like, like, do you have an outline or do you have every specific question you're thinking?

0:27:15 - (Dave Burlin): No, no, I have no questions on here. It was really just your bio and some info about you so I could wrap my head around.

0:27:21 - (Jon Orlando): Right. That's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. Because I think when you start, when you have a list of questions, I'm okay if you want to make a list of questions, as long as you're okay not asking all of them. Meaning as long as you're okay that if you get to question number three and a really cool conversation comes and you can go back and forth, be open to. Damn. I had nine other questions, but I didn't even get to them. But we made gold with the three that I asked.

0:27:47 - (Jon Orlando): And then I'll have him back and we'll get to four through nine later or whatever, then it's okay. But if you're hell bent on question answer, question answer, you will miss out on the whole point of doing a podcast.

0:27:57 - (Tawni Nguyen): Yeah. It becomes like an interrogation interview, right? Versus like a connection, like, deeper. Right. We say like, go deep versus just go wide.

0:28:04 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah.

0:28:05 - (Tawni Nguyen): Podcasting.

0:28:06 - (Dave Burlin): One of my favorite authors of all times, a guy named John Acuff, right? He used to work for Dave Ramsey a long time ago. He did the Entree Leadership podcast, and he was the first host. He only did it for like 10 or 12 episodes.

0:28:18 - (Jon Orlando): Ye.

0:28:19 - (Dave Burlin): His first podcast was Simon Sinek.

0:28:22 - (Jon Orlando): Oh, wow.

0:28:22 - (Dave Burlin): It was brilliant. Because that was such a big network back then. And he. I remember it was question one, and he asked Simon Sinek, and Simon Sinek dropped this profound answer. And he could have went so many directions with that. And he just goes, okay, okay. Question two. It was like. And again. And it wasn't his fault. Like, I think it's something that you get through. Mean, it's something that happens. Like, I started my first podcast back during Pandemic when everybody did, But I shot 30 episodes and the first ones were pretty rough, but then you just.

0:28:54 - (Jon Orlando): Get used to it.

0:28:55 - (Dave Burlin): You just kind of start dovetailing and you're like, oh, well, that's real funny. I want to hit on that. And then if you get to circle back to it, cool, right? If you don't, that's okay. That's okay.

0:29:04 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, yeah. So that would be my best advice is like, don't overthink it. Don't plan. Just. Just jump in and do it. And Just be consistent and just don't give up. Don't give up. You just gotta keep doing it.

0:29:17 - (Dave Burlin): I love that. So with everything else that you're doing that you're working on, what do you see as the biggest challenge with all the changes that are happening?

0:29:27 - (Jon Orlando): Right.

0:29:27 - (Dave Burlin): All the changes are great. Traffic is one thing, but, like, from the entrepreneurial ecosystem, right, Especially, you roll with some pretty fast company, man. I mean, there's some great people out there, and sometimes we can see the world a little bit differently. But for the everyday man and the people that are out there just really trying to step into entrepreneurship and stuff like that, what do you see as the biggest challenges in the ecosystem right now?

0:29:49 - (Jon Orlando): I think it's not being intimidated by all of the activity and all the sheer volume of entrepreneurs and people podcasting, becausee then you start measuring. Try to. Don't measure success. Like, it's. It's not easy to do, you know, like, s. It's hard to not, like, judge yourself. And I think that's a big. A big trap. Like, don't. Don't get into that. Like, don't be hard on yourself. Like, do the best you can.

0:30:16 - (Jon Orlando): Be consistent with it. Work your ass off. But don't worry about, oh, this guy's building quicker. This guy has more followers. This guy's got more listeners. This is that, like, because you'll drive yourself nuts with that. There's always going toa be someone that's bigger, better, stronger, whether you're a fighter, whether you're an NFL player, whether, you know what I mean, or younger. Like, whatever. Whatever the equation, there's always going to be competition.

0:30:36 - (Jon Orlando): I think the key is not viewing it as competition. You know, let it push you. But t. Don't let it shut you down and make you feel like, oh, like, you know, only 30 people listen to my show or whatever. Like, it doesn't matter. You never know. We're all playing the same game. And on any given day, you could have the one guest, famous or not, that you just go viral and it changes. I mean, what's that? Look at that girl. The Hawk toa girl, right? I mean, literally, I mean, really wrap your head about the world we're in.

0:31:04 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah.

0:31:04 - (Jon Orlando): If she says that in 1970, 80, 90, 2000, no one cares. No one finds out because we don't even have. We're not always on camera like that, right? Yeah, she says it now. And this girl's got opportunity after opportunity. I mean, that's crazy. But that's also good news.

0:31:22 - (Dave Burlin): Y.

0:31:23 - (Jon Orlando): You know, When I moved here 2017, you listen to Rogan, right? Yeah, When I.

0:31:28 - (Dave Burlin): Someone said I look like Rogan.

0:31:29 - (Jon Orlando): Really? Okay. When I moveir.

0:31:32 - (Tawni Nguyen): Okay.

0:31:32 - (Dave Burlin): Haircut and the shirt, I guess when.

0:31:34 - (Jon Orlando): I. Oh, he is very black. Button down. Yeah. When I moved here in 2017.

0:31:39 - (Dave Burlin): Roll with it.

0:31:40 - (Jon Orlando): I would listen to Joe Rogan every day, and he started every single episode of the podcast by saying this. Today's episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by the Fleshlight. I swear to you, go back on YouTube, it'd be really cool if you could edit this in, like, it as a clip or something. But, like, he literally starts. He starts every single podcast by saying, today's episode is brought to you by the Fleshlight. The Fleshlight. Do you know what that is?

0:32:05 - (Jon Orlando): It's like a flashlight. We know Goog. Google it at home. If you don't know. I won't get in all the gory details here. I already did. Enough with the drug story, all right? I don't need to go three for three here, so. But if I would have told you back in 2017, Joe Rogan is four years away from a $200 million deal with Spotify and then six years away from his second $200 million deal with Spotify, you would have told me I was crazy. Joe Rogan would have told me I was crazy.

0:32:36 - (Jon Orlando): And that just shows you, like, how things can change, man. That's, like, really great news for all of us to go from the Fleshlight to a Spotify deal.

0:32:45 - (Dave Burlin): And it's a minefield because there's a lot of in between that will just destroy you.

0:32:51 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:32:51 - (Dave Burlin): Like, you can get destroyed for something, like, not even that bad.

0:32:55 - (Jon Orlando): Totally.

0:32:56 - (Dave Burlin): And people can twist that. Yeah, but like you said, you could take the worst thing.

0:32:58 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:32:59 - (Dave Burlin): And then that'll be the catapult that opens up.

0:33:02 - (Jon Orlando): And the crazy thing is, I'm now seven years into my podcast and I'm dying to get the Fleshlight deal. I just want the Fleshlight deal. Never mind the Spotify deal. How do I get the Fleshlight deal? Even just product for trade.

0:33:18 - (Tawni Nguyen): That'D be part two. We might have to keep it off of Pursue Vegas.

0:33:22 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, I love it.

0:33:24 - (Tawni Nguyen): No, that's funny. I love that you brought up the whole vanity behind the followership and stuff, too, because we measure our worth, Right. Just like companies measure their worth with revenues, but that's all metrics. Yeah, but where you actually identify is where the profit is or where the cash flow is. And for us, in the social media content production world. Yeah. I think followers is the new metrics, but it's the vain thing that people chase after. But the real thing, it's like the sanity really. Are you actually bringing value?

0:33:51 - (Tawni Nguyen): And then the most important thing is, are you actually making impact? Are you vulnerable enough so that people can actually reach out and feel like, hey, I really connected with your content? Even if it's just a single person, if you can make one single impact per episode or just overall and change someone's life by just something that you say, like, I think that's so meaningful. And yeah, like, even if 30 people watch it, but if that one person can really connect to it, I think that's just the biggest impact that is the cash flow of in the revenue side. Right?

0:34:18 - (Tawni Nguyen): Totally cashow. That's the lifeline of why you're doing what you're doing. Because there's meaning, there's purpose, there's intent behind the message that you want to bring to the world of value that you want to drive after and really connects people. After all, that's why we're making content in the world, that we feel it's more connected, but it's actually disconnecting all of us. Because now people are kind of identifying like, oh, that person's much cooler than me. They have a podcast. They probably make more money. But people don't see the real side behind entrepreneurship. It takes money to put yourself on social media. That's your new digital resume.

0:34:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): People, that's the first thing they look at. They don't even look at your LinkedIn anymore. They look at your Instagram. What are you posting? You know, are you interactive? Is there engagement? You know, are you fun as a person? Do you post memes? Are you just about talking about yourself on a publicized, like, hey, look at me. Like, look at all the accomplishments. But who are you as a person? You know?

0:35:05 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:35:05 - (Dave Burlin): Well, I think. I think it really comes down to you. Are you willing to extend that help to the next person? Right. I can't believe how many people. Like, I remember some of the first podcasts. Like, back whenever John Lee Dumas was doing, like, entrepreneur on Fire. I reached out to the guy, I found out he was a veteran, and, like, they started a whole veteran podcast that was separate from all that. And I got to help, like, facilitate that and run a mastermind group.

0:35:29 - (Dave Burlin): Like, his podcast had millions of followers. And this one, there was, like, very few. But we were in a small group with. There was like, 11 of us, and we had a lot of, like. Like, time with the guy.

0:35:41 - (Jon Orlando): Wow.

0:35:41 - (Dave Burlin): And I was really surprised by that because it was just that, you know, will to extend their hand out, and it wasn't like a hand. We paid for that. We paid probably half of what his mastermind was at the time. But the fact that he would, like, be on the calls, like, it says a lot, right. And there's some people that, you know, aren't who they are on camera. They're not the same person off camera. Right. And then they treat people like garbage. So I think it's really the people that go the furthest are the ones that continue to help, but also ask for help.

0:36:09 - (Jon Orlando): Ye.

0:36:09 - (Dave Burlin): And keep and keep moving up. Which is why I love, you know, Dave and just about everybody that runs in those circles with him.

0:36:16 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, it's really a great circle. That Meltzer circle is amazing. I mean, he's got so many quality people around at those events that we go to and stuff. You know where I see you 100%. It's really fun. Fun time. You're never there. How come. Where you. Where are you doing? Well, you hiding.

0:36:31 - (Tawni Nguyen): I was there once.

0:36:32 - (Jon Orlando): I think she came once.

0:36:34 - (Dave Burlin): She lives in a different state.

0:36:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): Almost in. It takes me a little bit. I get anywhere.

0:36:42 - (Jon Orlando): You take the train and then you have to hop, like on a commuter flight when you. How do you do it? How does it work?

0:36:48 - (Tawni Nguyen): That's so funny. No, but I is really absorbing all your drugs and gambling story because that's essentially what people think of Vegas. And it's funny that it started out that way, but people forget that there's heart and there's like, there is really good people in the citye.

0:37:02 - (Jon Orlando): You can live here and never see the Strip. I mean, and. And there's parts you can go to, you know, in Summerlin or Henderson. And I dare you to tell me that you're not in Arizona or somewhere else. Like, you know, if you just walked out, you don't see casinos. It's. It's not. You don't have to be that people. Like, I could never live in Vegas. Like. Well, yeah, you're not doing what you do in Vegas on the weekend every single day. I mean, there's some people that do, but for the most part, like, we're not. When was not send you to a nightclub. You go to clubs.

0:37:28 - (Dave Burlin): I mean, two ratted you out.

0:37:30 - (Jon Orlando): All right, Basle. Never mind. Yeah.

0:37:33 - (Dave Burlin): When was the last time I went to a nightclub? And it was. Well, that was different. It was in January, actually. And I got to meet Cascade. That was the cool thing I've done Cool. Ever. I gave him one of my boomboxes.

0:37:43 - (Jon Orlando): Oh, nice.

0:37:44 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah. So that. That was a.

0:37:46 - (Tawni Nguyen): Is that a code word for something?

0:37:47 - (Jon Orlando): One of my favorite D.J.

0:37:48 - (Dave Burlin): S actually. Yeah, it was actually a boombox. It was a little eight track boombox that I found in my grandpa's closet when he passed away. And then I saw on one of Cascades things a long time ago, he was really instrumental in, like, my. Like, it was like my power music. Whenever I was going through a divorce breakup. Music is hard. And I was like, I'm taking Cascade with me.

0:38:07 - (Jon Orlando): I love it.

0:38:08 - (Dave Burlin): And then whenever I saw that he had boomboxes on one of his posts. This is five years ago. I was. There's pictures of me standing in front of the Venetian when he was at Chaos, and I literally had a sign that said, will somebody please tell Cascade I want to give him one of my boomboxes.

0:38:20 - (Jon Orlando): Really?

0:38:21 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah. And then it happened five years later in January. So, yeah, that was the last time. I don't really do the nightclub thing very much, me, but who knows?

0:38:32 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah.

0:38:33 - (Dave Burlin): Yeah, who knows? So with that all being said, you've been here, you've seen all the changes. Now the. The future is ours, right? So if you could wave a magic wand, what is one thing that you would really like to see here in Vegas in the next four or five years?

0:38:48 - (Jon Orlando): Oh, man. Um. That's a tough one. I mean, aside from the baseball team, u. What would I like to see here in Vegas, man? Um, I'll tell you a really good. Unless it's already here, and I don't know. Can we get a really good, like, hole in the wall? Chinese restaurant? Can we get one of those? How do we get that?

0:39:10 - (Tawni Nguyen): Don't look at me because I'm Asian.

0:39:11 - (Jon Orlando): Well, I'm just saying. Fish. Where a fish are. What are we doing? Can you make this? Can you make a call?

0:39:18 - (Tawni Nguyen): He, like, immediately sl.

0:39:20 - (Jon Orlando): Well, you're the obvious pink elephant in the room or whatever. No. All right. I don't know.

0:39:26 - (Tawni Nguyen): When you figure that out, like, please let me know.

0:39:29 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah, all right, fine. Whatever. Yeah. You know, I feel like. I mean, Vegas just has everything already. Like, you know, I think it's just gonna continue to grow. And, you know, I don't feel like anything's really missing other than baseball to beat a dead horse. But, like, this is gonna be a big deal for me. I mean, I guess basketball. I don't really care about basketball, but I guess we need that too. But we should have.

0:39:52 - (Tawni Nguyen): Everything should be inclusive of all the sports, whatever.

0:39:56 - (Dave Burlin): Break dancing. Should we bring break?

0:39:59 - (Jon Orlando): Is this a sport in what are they doing up a whole can of worms for me, I get. Breakdancing is not a sport. It is an activity. I talk about this all time. I'm going to piss people off. Golf is not a sport either, by the way. It is an activity. It requires a lot of skill, but it's not a sport. You're not running, you're not jumping. The ball's not moving. It's just defenseless. And you're whacking it.

0:40:21 - (Tawni Nguyen): You're whacking it alone.

0:40:22 - (Jon Orlando): Yeah. Because if whacking it is a sport. I'm just saying. Anyway, brougt you. Yeah. You know, yeah. Would be a good sponsor there. The Fleshlight. The Whacking it podcast. Which is a golf podcast.

0:40:36 - (Tawni Nguyen): I know who to send this.

0:40:37 - (Jon Orlando): Sponsored by the Flesh line. Yeah, that would actually be kind of a good. Actually wait. I kind of like that. We launch a golf podcast called Whacking it and we get the Fleshlight as a sponsor. Can this happen?

0:40:48 - (Dave Burlin): I mean, I think you logically all we need is a studio.

0:40:52 - (Jon Orlando): Do you know anyore rich crazy Asian over here? No. All right. I don't know.

0:40:56 - (Dave Burlin): All right.

0:40:57 - (Jon Orlando): With that being said, we'renna wrap just got canceled.

0:41:00 - (Dave Burlin): Where can people find you and how do they connect?

0:41:03 - (Jon Orlando): Just John Orlando, J n Orlando at. On Twitter, on. On Instagram, on tik toc and or the Action Junkies podcast. Junkies is J u n k e E Z. And that's not because I was clever. That's just because action junkies.com spelled properly was $18,000 back in 2017 and I didn't have that, so we had to change the spelling. And you try.

0:41:25 - (Dave Burlin): Did you try to gamble to get.

0:41:27 - (Jon Orlando): No, no, I didn't try that. No. I used to be a completate. I was a complete degenerate from the time I was 18 till I was was 31. And then after September 11, I actually changed my ways and now I still partake in degenerate like activities. But I'm not operating as a degenerate.

0:41:47 - (Dave Burlin): While I'm doing it to the mocktails.

0:41:49 - (Jon Orlando): Yes.

0:41:50 - (Tawni Nguyen): I love the awareness in that sentence.

0:41:52 - (Jon Orlando): There you go.

0:41:53 - (Dave Burlin): I love that. Well, John, thank you so much for coming on the show.

0:41:55 - (Jon Orlando): This was fun.

0:41:56 - (Dave Burlin): We appreciate you and we'll catch you on the next one.

0:41:58 - (Jon Orlando): All right.

0:41:58 - (Tawni Nguyen): All right, that's it for us today. If you like what you heard, please follow us at pursue.vegas and find all of us somewhere online. On Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, @dav belin and onawyy and John Orlando.

0:42:11 - (Jon Orlando): I like it. Peace.

0:42:12 - (Dave Burlin): Peace.